1989
 
Linda Gray's deposition
December 18, 1989, Mike’s girlfriend, Linda Gray’s deposition was taken at Marvin Glazier’s firm in Bangor. Attorney Popkin told me that he felt it was a waste of money to do Linda’s deposition because she was saying she knew absolutely nothing. (Giving the Maine Attorney General’s Office all  was also a waste of my money.) I told him, regardless, I wanted her deposed. She and Mike had gone together for nearly six years and she had lived in my home much of that time. But after Mike’s murder she refused to speak to any of Mike’s family. I saw her at the Penobscot Superior Courthouse in 1989 during one of Richard Sargent’s hearings. She was standing in a corner just outside the courtroom door with Homicide Detectives Shuman and Pinkham talking and laughing like old friends.
     Marvin Glazier also represented Linda and she played loss of memory to the hilt. Why did she need an attorney? I wasn’t suing her. Perhaps she was worried that I might ask about her assisting Mike in his escape from the courthouse and why she left him lying under a pile of burned fire rubble for six days and did not tell anyone—especially me.

     Nevertheless, Mr. Popkin tried to question her. “Did you know the late Micheal Cochran?”
     “Yes.”
     She said she had gone out with Mike since she was 13 years old and that she was 19 when he died. [Good start. Maybe it was going to be better than we expected.]
     Popkin said, “I have marked as Deposition Exhibit Number 1 a statement that bears the signature and remarks of Detective Corporal Herbert B. Shuman. You have had a chance to review it. I am going to show it to you again. I’d like to ask you whether you remember talking to Detective Shuman on the day Michael’s body was found in 1981. 
     “No, I don’t remember.”
     “Do you remember talking to any policeman that day?”
     “Not really, no.”
     “Do you feel prepared to try to remember anything about this?”
     “Well, I try to remember, but back then I was on a lot of drugs and I have read these statements and stuff, I really don’t remember saying them. All of it is blacked out. I don’t know if it was just from the trauma and being on drugs or what, but I tried to remember but there’s nothing there. It’s like black.”
     “So you don’t even remember speaking to Detective Shuman on the 24th of February, 1981?”
     “No, I don’t.”
     “I understand what you have told me, but for the record I’m going to go through the other two statements too. I’m going to show you what’s marked as Deposition Exhibit 2. This is a statement which bears the signature and mark of Trooper Ronald G. Graves of the Maine State Police. It’s dated March 3rd, 1981. Do you remember giving that statement?”
     “No, I don’t.”
     “I’m going to show you what has been marked as Deposition Exhibit Number 3, [I don't have this statement] which is also a statement which bears the signature and mark of Trooper Graves, and this is dated March 5th, 1981. I’d just like to ask you whether you remember giving that statement.”
     “No. Where were these statements taken? I don't know, you know. I don’t even remember.”
     “These statements all say that the place of interview was the Bangor Police Department. Do you remember going to the Bangor Police Department during that week or so after the fire in the camp, week or two?”
     “No, I can’t say that I do.”
     “Let me start with the period just preceding the fire. Do you remember the night of the fire at all, even vaguely?”
     “I think just vaguely, just vaguely.”
     “You do know that there was a fire?”
     “Uh-huh.”
     “Do you have any doubt that Micheal Cochran died in it?”
     “I don’t know. I don’t know.
”   1
     “Have you ever seen Micheal Cochran since that night?”
     “Not that I know of, no.”
     “Did you attend the memorial service for him shortly after that period?”  
     “Yeah.”    2
     “Did you believe and do you believe that he died that night?”
     “All I know is that he died in that fire. That’s what I have heard. ...”
     “Do you remember ever being at that camp with Micheal?”
     “Not really.”
     “Do you remember whether or not there was a small fellow with dark hair [Paul Pollard] who was also there?”
     “I don’t know. I don’t know.”

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The above paragraph is from Det. Shuman and Bangor PD Lt. Roger Bryce’s interview of Linda Gray on Feb. 24, 1981 at the Bangor Police Department, several hours after Mike was found.  
     “Do you remember the fact that he did escape at some point from the courthouse?”
     “Uh-huh.”    4
     "What happened after that? Where did you go?”
     “I don’t even remember. I don’t even remember. I don’t even know if I was with him or not.”    5
      "Do you remember telling Lee Cochran that you had knowledge that Percy Sargent had been bragging at a party in Winterport that he had Micheal killed?”
     “No.”
     “Do you know who Percy Sargent is?”
     “Trying to think. If he was to walk in here, I don’t think I would recognize him."   6
     “Do you remember anything about him claiming that he had some role in Micheal’s death?”
     “No.”     7
     “Do you know Lee Cochran’s sister, Mavis Long, or did you ever know her?”  
     “Just barely, back a long, long time ago.”
     “Do you remember making a phone call to Lee’s sister, Mavis Long, about the time of the events that we are talking about in which you told her that Micheal had died in the fire?”
     “No.”
     “Do you remember going down to the site of the fire after the building had burned at any point?”
     “I might have. I’m not really sure. I might have. I don’t know. I don’t know because I was doing a lot of drugs back then.”
     “What sort of drugs were you doing back then?”
     “Oh, everything, everything I could get my hands on just to try to make myself feel better and forget about it. My mom didn’t think I was going to make it through. She thought I should see a psychiatrist or something, I took it that bad, you know, took it that hard.”  8
     “Would you have been doing psychedelic drugs at that time?”
     Linda said she was doing LSD, cocaine, and marijuana at that time.   8
     “... I am going to show you what’s been marked as Deposition Exhibit Number 4, now—this is a photograph—and ask if you recognize that. … it’s been represented to me anyway that that’s you in the white sweater there with Leola.”  10
 “I don’t know. I can’t tell if that’s me or not.”


On the left Linda Gray can be seen standing, in the white jacket, and I am to her left bent over doing something. I did dig with my bare hands in the rubble and ashes where Linda said Mike's body was found to see if I could find anything that would prove to me that Mike had died there.
     “… the last time you saw Micheal, was there anyone there besides Micheal and Paul Pollard, a short guy with black hair?”
     Glazier: “Objection. She said she doesn’t remember anyone being there.”
     Popkin: “I’m going to show you what has been marked as Deposition Exhibit Number 5 and ask if you can tell me who is that?”

Mike and Linda at Mark Ashe's house a couple of hours before Mike was murdered
     "Yeah, that’s me, and there’s Mike right there.”
     “Do you remember going to Mark Ashe's  house with Micheal the night that the camp burned …?”
     “I’m not sure if we did or not. I don’t know.”
     “Do you recognize where it is?”
     “No.”
     “Do you remember what the sleeping arrangements were in that cabin, who was sleeping where?”
     “No, no.”
     lazier said he had just a couple of questions and asked Linda, “Did you get those drugs from Micheal Cochran?”
     “I could have. I’m not sure.”
Attorney Marvin Glazier would probably not be called a dirty lawyer in the lawyer community but in my book he is a dirty lawyer. He said during Paul and Owen's depositions that I had used lies and deceit to contact Paul and Owen. I was a mother trying to find out who killed my son and I didn't use lies and deceit. I believe he did what he could to help the authorities cover up Mike's murder. And now he wants to know if Linda got her drugs from Mike. Mike was dead at the time Linda said she was taking LSD, cocaine, and marijuana to help her "forget about it."  But, Glazier wanted to turn it into something against Mike, the murder victim. Mike, the young man whose body was left lying under a pile of six-day-old fire rubble after Glazier’s client, Pollard, and his half-brother, Cormier, murdered him. Was Glazier’s question necessary? Mike was dead; he had paid the ultimate price.